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THE PRICE OF
ENLIGHTENMENT
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Dāna
and the
question of charging for the spiritual teachings
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THERAVADA BUDDHISM
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BHIKKHU PASSANO
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Ven. Pasanno Bhikkhu
took ordination in Thailand in 1974, with Ven. Phra Khru
Nañasirivatana as preceptor. During his first year as a monk he
was taken by his teacher to meet Ajahn Chah, with whom he asked
to be allowed to stay and train. One of the early residents of
Wat Pah Nanachat, Ven. Pasanno became its abbot in his ninth
year. During his incumbency Wat Pah Nanachat developed
considerably, both in physical size and in reputation, and Ajahn
Pasanno has become a very well-known and highly respected monk
and Dhamma teacher in Thailand. Ajahn Pasanno moved to
California on New Year's Eve of 1997 to share the abbotship of
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INTERVIEW
What is your view on Buddhist teachers that charge for the
dharma?
Bhikkhu Pasanno: Well, the thing is that there is so much out
there on dana. I don’t try to have a view on what other people do. I know
how I do it and I know how our community does it and I feel comfortable with
that. I would encourage an example hopefully for other people and there are
starting to be more people within the lay community that are picking up on
dana as a means of organizing retreats and organizing talks, so that’s very
heartening.
How about the system of using suggested donation; is there a
difference or distinction with suggested donation or with asking for dana?
Bhikku Pasanno: It’s not much of a
difference is it? A suggested donation is almost already a request for at
least a certain amount of money. It’s not quite a donation in the sense
that one is giving freely.
So the difference would be that with dana
there isn’t a suggestion of any kind whereas obviously with the other a
clear suggested amount is being made?
Bhikku
Pasanno: Yes on a certain level one could call it a semantic one, but it’s
also an actual feeling of it. As soon as you’re saying suggested donation,
you’re actually expecting a donation rather than giving it freely. Another
aspect of it though is, especially in the West, that there’s a lack of
understanding either of dana and sometimes how things actually work and
function. So that there does need to be some education sometimes or actually
letting people know what sort of need there is. That has to be handled
gracefully also.
So it
isn’t as if one just sits back and says nothing, but it’s also tough in
terms of when someone says something. How one says it and under what
circumstance so that it’s more trying to educate people as to how things
work so that people will either feel comfortable or feel inspired to share
or to offer support of things that are worthy of support.
In your experience, has this method or this
system of dana been successful in the West, like in the United States?
Bhikkhu Pasanno: Well, it depends where. I
have seen places that have taken it on as a mode of how they run their
center or their monasteries. For us, it’s our tradition or means of
existence. Everything is available for free, in the sense that we don’t
charge. So that's how it works when people come to stay at the monastery or
come to listen to teachings or do retreats or receive publications. But we
are in an old institution that has a momentum of history and knowledge about
it, so then that works very well as a monastery. I think for lay centers,
of course, it’s a bit newer territory. The places that I know that have
decided to do that, they’ve all found that it works very well. And there
are other benefits that come with that. It’s not just about being able to
pay the bills, but what it is, is also about building communities. So that
the opportunities are open for people to join in and participate, whether
it’s a material donation or a financial one or some kind of assistance in
some other way. The spirit of generosity starts to inform how one interacts
with the circumstances of the center or of the monastery and one is then
building community with generosity as a foundational value
What about down side with trying to use this
system of dana, in terms of people abusing it or not understanding it, or
taking advantage of it?
Bhikkhu Pasanno: The thing is, if we are
using the model of dana – then our offering of the teachings is freely
offered as well. So that if people want to take advantage of it in some way,
then on a certain level that’s their problem because all we’re doing is
making the offering. If you accept what we offer, then it’s natural. There
will be those who understand it and appreciate it and there will be those
who don’t quite get it. The approach of dana isn’t a business transaction.
END OF INTERVIEW
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