Sifu Guolin: Yes,
everything one. Because you are clear. Laughs.
NDM: So that applies
to when you do the Xi shui jing, ot Xin yi ba or the other forms?
Sifu Guolin: Same thing.
Yes. Xi shui jing, yi jin jing, everything. When you understand itís very
simple. Itís very difficult for the mind to understand.
NDM: So the sitting
meditations that would help with some of the kung fu and moving meditations.
Sifu Guolin: Different
people use different ways. Some people like sitting meditations. Some people
like more moving meditations but sitting meditation is very good.
I have a question. Is it possible to attain enlightenment from just movement
without sitting and meditating? Maybe through kung fu?
Sifu Guolin: Yes of course,
yes. It is also one movement. How to look and be clear and keep the inside
still while making a big movement.
NDM: I have a
question about when you began to practice Qi gung. You practiced with your
grandfather before you went to the Shaolin temple.
Sifu Guolin: Yes.
NDM: He taught you qi
Sifu Guolin: Yes.
NDM: Was he a Taoist
or a Buddhist?
Sifu Guolin: He was
Buddhist. Our method of kung fu is the Shaolin method. Ancient method.
Nicole: So your
grandfather was also from the Shaolin temple?
Sifu Guolin: He was not
from the Shaolin temple but he was a Shaolin disciple. Not a monk but he had
a Buddhist name.
NDM: So how did you
decide to join the Shaolin temple and become a monk?
Sifu Guolin: I was young; I
didnít know what a monk was at that time. (Laughter) I just wanted to make
my kung fu high level. When I changed my mind I understand that Chan, Zen
and kung fu and was the same and was very interested in this. I wanted to
understand. I wanted to become a monk. Zen and kung fu, Zen is very quiet,
kung fu is very hard. How to mix them together. I spent a lot of time
NDM: When you trained
at the Shaolin temple, which forms did you do first, was it the Yi jin jing?
Sifu Guolin: No no.
jin and the forms first.
Everything is the same but the forms differ.
NDM: Later on they
taught you the Xi shui jing?
Sifu Guolin: Much later.
NDM: After how many
Sifu Guolin: Itís different
form to learn and takes much longer, maybe your whole life.
NDM: itís a very
Sifu Guolin: Yes, Yi jin
jing, Xi shui jing is a Shaolin method. Shaolin style Zen is a one name not
two names. The name is Yi jin jing, Xi shui jing. One name. Not Yi jin jing
and Xi shui jing. The real name is Yi jin Xi shui jing.
NDM: And if you
practiced one like you practiced the one that you taught us , (Yi jin jing)
after how many years should somebody practice that for, before you can move
on to do the xi shui jing?
Sifu Guolin: A long time,
you have got to be enlightened.
Sifu Guolin. Yes because if
you just move the arms around. Laughter. The form is not the method, itís
just a technique. For example there are different angles, different
NDM: So the intention
of xi shui jing is to purify not just the muscles and tendons but the mind,
to clean the mind.
Sifu Guolin: Xi shui jing
for example, is not just your marrow, the real meaning is your mind, your
heart. The real meaning of Xi Shi jing is using kung fu to practice Zen
Buddhism. Ok. This name sounds no good. Yi jin, xi shui jing sounds good.
Not many people really understand, Yi jin xi shui jing.
NDM: So the true
meaning would be to cleanse the heart/ mind of your bad habits, negative
Sifu Guolin: Yes but this
is just the foundation. Yi jin jing form is the foundation of kung fu
NDM: So if you
practice the xi shui jing, just the form and this breathing, moving the
energy, itís not going to help?
Sifu Guolin: First you have
to understand, what is xi shui jing? What is it?
NDM: Its nei gung, internal alchemy, transformation of not just the skin and bones or
the marrow or the flesh , itís really to do with purification of karma, the
past actions that cause conflicts and obstacles in the present. Negative
things in the body/mind.
Sifu Guolin: You are
talking about Xi shui jing?
Sifu Guolin: The Yi jin
jing also has this. Its very hard yes.
NDM: So the Yi jin
jing in the standing movements do the same thing, clean out the heart mind.
Sifu Guolin: Yes the same
way, but itís a different level. You are talking about what Yi jin jing has.
It has everything. I taught you Xi shui jing, the other name is Chan or Zen
Buddhism. Why you call it Xi shui jing, it is Shaolin style Zen Buddhism.
Ok. This I call Yi jin xi shui jing. The Shaolin way. Yi jin
jing is not only for Buddhism. Many people practice this, itís from Damo (Bodhidharma)
from India. But before Damo, (Bodhidharma) before Buddha in China we have Yi
NDM: In Taoism.
Sifu Guolin: Yes Taoism.
This come from Taoism. Chinese culture. Da mo came to China and just used
Chinese culture to show Buddhism. Ok. We use Yi jing jing, we use kung fu.
Zen meditation, the level to teach your mind.
NDM: To keep the mind
Sifu Guolin: Yes, itís just
a different name. (Laughter) Chen Tai chi yang Tai chiis also like yi jin
jing. This is for our body and kung fu, movement. We use yi jin jing method
to show the Zen Buddhism. Xui shui jing is Zen Buddhism.